Thursday, August 18, 2011

you threw your toys out of the pram, Furrygirl.

My mum tells a story about how when I was breastfeeding I used to bite her sometimes. I'd be quietly suckling away, then nip- she would yelp and pull me away, and I'd beam, she'd sigh and let me suckle... and sometimes, I'd bite her again.


Yeah, I may've been a little sadist event then. But no one would've called what was going on sexual by any stretch of the imagination, right?


Last week Feminisnt blogger Furrygirl accused Madison Young, founder of Femina Potens and Feminist Porn Network, of being a borderline pedophile. She has since blogged about this on her personal blog, after her logic was widely shot down as "crazy talk". In her blog, she talks (again) about Madison breastfeeding in a "place people go to masturbate" I want to correct this mistaken idea very clearly. 



Madison did a performance at Sizzle wherein she breastfed (with two other women, all clothed) and talked about how moving breastfeeding was for her. They then talked about the Great Latch-On, a breastfeeding awareness day. Now, normally, Sizzle can have some erotic content- I've been a lingerie-clad figure model before, for example. But this particular one had that, and Maggie Mayhem talking about taking AZT in Africa, and the organizer from Slutwalk talking about rape, and Maxine Holloway talking about Hep C, and me talking about consent being sexy. Not exactly erotic, certainly not a space where people were being voyeuristic. No wanking. I've never seen wanking at Sizzle- it's more of a performance art space than anything else.

Then there's the image Furry keeps harping on about- a photo accompanying a piece about being a sexy mother, wherein Madison looks glamorous while breastfeeding. Furry is *just wrong* when she says that women don't make themselves look glamorous or sensual for breastfeeding photos (here here here here and here for a start), but then, she's not a breeder. Never mind the question- if it's about babies not being able to consent to being photographed while feeding, are sensual nude pregnancy photos ok? Once a sex worker always a sex worker- are you then banned from feeding your baby in public because you are a publicly sexual figure?

Is it just me, or does that sound pretty anti-sex worker for a woman who is starting a organization to support sex workers..?

What Furry likely *meant* to say was this: http://twitter.com/#!/furrygirl/status/102274806359146496

What she said, however...

I mean, I tried to get out of Furry what exactly she was saying:

But she just blocked me instead of answering my questions and continued this hysterical "omgomg feminist porn loves pedos! San Francisco is crazy! I'm the only sane one!" It was kind of nuts, and honestly I expected better from her.

She's continuing to suggest that Madison's twitterstream is basically a pornographic sexualized place. Considering Madison talks about a lot of things relating to her life, some of it sexual, some of it not, I think Furry is ignoring the context she keeps talking about being important. I mean, Furry has a photo of her without panties with her cat- does this make her into bestiality? Could someone into bestiality sexualize that image? Has her cat consented to the photo? I'd giggle if she says that it's different because the baby is human, considering she's vegan....

It was pretty angering, though. Partially because I have multiple friends in altsex who are parents. Partially because I may one day spawn a whelp of my own. And I still want to work in sex work, after I've had a child- who's to say I can't? I may one day similarly want to talk about balancing sex work and performance with being a parent. That may be a discussion that happens around other sex-positive people. That doesn't make me (or them) pedophiles.


With the multiple articles coming out about this issue, I want to correct something. No, Furry didn't say Madison was a pedo for breastfeeding in itself- she said Madison was a pedo for breastfeeding at Sizzle, an art event that discusses issues relating to sex and gender, which she continually says is a "sex event" when it just isn't. I was there. Furry was not, and has been ignoring people who try to tell her this. 


What Furry is also pointedly ignoring is that by using the word "pedo" publicly and in a sensationalist way, she is, in fact, both acting against sex worker rights (which she claims to care about) and putting Madison's child actively in danger


We still live in a world where sexual women (sex workers, porn stars, women who blog about sex) can and have had their children taken away for lesser accusations. I'm curious if Furry has thought about the potential consequences for her actions- does she truly believe that Madison is dangerous to the extent that her child being a ward of the state is a better option..? Has Furry ever talked to wards of the state? It's a pretty terrifying, lonely, and often violent place to be. Madison breastfeeding her baby while dressed as Marilyn Monroe- is that truly dangerous enough to take her baby away from her? 

Salon has had great op ed pieces on this and similar issues, as did One Hot Crumpet. The Advocate covered it as well, and Maggie Mayhem weighs in and hits a home run:
Calling a portrait that hung in the context of an art show about balancing the roles of sex work and motherhood pedophilia is not just a logical fallacy of equivocation, it’s outright dangerous. San Francisco offers a modicum of safety but the fact is that there are a lot of people chomping at the bit to remove children from parents that are part of alternative sexual minorities. It’s dangerous to create and spread blatant misinformation. A health, wellness, and awareness event is not an orgy. There is no giant conspiracy to uncover that the “mommy cult fetishists” are concealing. This event took place on a day organizing as many public breast feedings as possible. Madison Young did not invent this event for self-promotion, she participated in it and told other people about it. It was not inappropriate for her to create a safe and non-sexual venue for her participation and support of this pre-existing event. These choices do not amount to obtaining sexual gratification from her infant.
"If you seal yourself in the safe bubble of San Francisco, surrounded by adoring fans, then of course you're not going to care how you might be damaging the movement for acceptance of sex workers and porn," says Furry. But, as Madison said quite brilliantly, the only one sexualizing Madison's breastfeeding is Furry herself. And Furry knows she fucked up, I suspect, as she's not allowing comments on her blog.

I just find it fascinating and frustrating that FG doesn't realize that the person really really hurting the sex worker movement is, in fact, herself. And I'm disappointed. I think Furry sometimes says some brilliant shit. I wanted to support SWAAY. But I am really saddened that I can't anymore, because I'm a sex worker, and I may one day be a mother myself. Some of my friends are mothers in sex work. This is personal, and political, and I just can't let it go.

8 comments:

jane watsername said...

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.
As a sex worker with a child... Exactly - anyone who thinks a photo like this is perverted could only be projecting their own perversions.
And Exactly - anyone who engages in public and hateful abuse about another sex worker and her choices at work, in her parenting or anything else is the one who has the potential to damage sex worker rights. How many sex workers has she alienated and criticized by this incident.
And Exactly - She is carrying on like sex workers must only ever be seen as one dimensional, or is it even more ingrained? is it that mothers must only be one dimensional. To suggest that we must keep all aspects of our public persona, work persona and private persona completely separate,is in my opinion, born from internalised whore stigma.
Anyway, thanks for writing this, its perfect!!!

treeofjessie said...

just for the record, FG does not identify as a feminist, and in fact is pretty strongly ANTIFEMINIST (http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/feminism-is-the-shitty-relationship-you-had-in-your-early-20s/)
and i'd also point out that she never used the word "borderline," and was strictly calling out "pedophile" directly.

awesome entry. :)

Kitty said...

Oh yeah, I know- I was pretty careful about that (I think anyway). I mean, I think her complaints about feminism, while valid, are like saying all sex workers are trafficked. Over-generalizing for shock value is harmful. :)

Originally she did say borderline pedophilia- http://twitter.com/#!/furrygirl/status/101876058474819584

cissa said...

In the Globe recently there was a letter to the editor published in which a teacher literally bragged about reporting a mother to DSS and having her kids taken away because the mother was a sex worker. The writer felt this was possibly even more virtuous than getting help for a raped girl in another of her classes.

So nice of her.

Chris said...

Wow. Where do I start, really?

First of all, as I said before in Twitter, thanks for bringing some sanity to this whole thing.

Furrygirl and I have had our issues before, but this whole thing caught me by surprise. Whatever our problems, I always gave her credit for being an advocate for sexuality and for sex workers. No more. I never would have expected her to attack another sex worker so bitterly and viciously. (Note to readers: not a sex worker, nor a client, but I do support workers as best I can.)

Madison is one of the most intelligent and scrupulously decent people our community has, which makes this attack seem even more unhinged.

I'm really happy to see people come around to support Madison so wholeheartedly, and sorry to see Furry go so completely over the edge. This really is the sort of thing that I'd expect from Gail Dines, not from someone who's campaigning for a sex-workers' rights organization. As you point out so adeptly, she's far from the first woman to make herself look glamorous when breastfeeding, and if Madison were a mainstream movie star or anything other than a sex worker, she'd be dismissed out of hand.

Good job, and I hope that this is the last we hear of FG's puritan paranoia. Madison and her family certainly deserve more respect than this.

Ms. Penny Barber said...

Damn. Fucking. Straight.

the infamous said...

Thank you for this run down and for a reflective voice of not only someone in sex work but as someone in attendance to the event. I completely agree. I'm so saddened by this situation but am glad there are respectful people speaking out in defence of sex work, altsexualties and motherhood with a lot of insight about it.

a dude said...

Early in the twitter debate I noticed a comment by either Furry herself (or a comrade of hers) about Madison being cool "until she rips you off." Extremely telling comment! It made her vague breastfeeding=pedophelia argument even more suspect because it was like , a-ha! there's some history of money troubles between these two and someone is still pissed and getting petty. Anyone who is even slightly intellectually rigorous salivates over these kinds of tells. Me and my friends sure did.
Then, realizing that her platform was built on a jelly foundation & how this would further weaken our "anti-feminist" heroine's chances of salvaging her rep, she went damage control & quickly pulled it. It was a subtle but, I feel, important event. If anyone saved that tweet it would be great if you re-post it to further elucidate the intricacies of the situation. It's likely, judging by that one tweet and it's quick removal, in the root motivation of Furry Girl's foolish attack, that fucked her credibility for the time being, lurks a business deal gone wrong. It was never about saving the children.

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